Your MP's Question of the Week #20

Tony Blair, ex-Prime Minister of Britain, is scheduled to speak about RULE OF LAW AND GOVERNANCE at the 22nd Sultan Azlan Shah Law Lecture in University Malaya today.

But Tony Blair should be one of the last persons on planet earth to talk about this noble subject.

His credentials are nothing more than a “war criminal. For his role, Tony Blair was chief to lie to all British citizens, and an accomplice with George Bush to lie to the world, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD) that can reach London in 40 minutes and obliterate the country. All told, he frightened its citizens into getting Britain involved with the US-led invasion against Iraq in 2002.

But we all know it for a fact now that Iraq had zilch WMD. Even till today no iota of WMD had been, and will ever be, found.

Plainly put, Britain and America had waged an illegal war against Iraq based on a lie – resulting in thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women and children – male and female, young and old, healthy and challenged – being senselessly slaughtered. The butchery is still going on right this moment. And the sad truth is that the killing of Saddam Hussein was also an unfair consequence of a kangaroo court baselessly charging him guilty and sentencing him to death by hanging.

There’s much blood, more so Muslim blood, on Tony Blair’s hands which can never be cleansed. Therefore it is most shocking, despicable and ironical that our beloved Malaysia, being a Muslim led country, should have invited and allowed a mass Muslim-killer to even walk on our soil, let alone to speak about RULE OF LAW AND GOVERNANCE as a hypocrite.

The question of the week is:

Should the clueless Barisan Nasional government – in the first place – have made the monumental mistake of allowing this war-criminal Tony Blair, who justifiably deserves to be condemned and tried for war crimes, to come to our country and stain our beloved soil while he’s drenched and dripping with innocent Muslim blood from the illegal Iraq invasion?

– Terjemahan oleh Lee Wee Tak – Ucapan ribuan terima kasih dari Wee Choo Keong –

Soalan Mingguan WR Anda #20

Tony Blair, bekas Perdana Menteri Britain, telah dijemput supaya berucap mengenai RULE OF LAW AND GOVERNANCE (menegakkan peraturan menerusi undang-undang dan pemerintahan) dalam ceramah undang-undang Sultan Azlan Shah yang ke-22 di Universiti Malaysia hari ini.

Akan tetapi Tony Blair patutlah mengambil salah satu giliran terakhir dalam dunia ini untuk berucap dalam perkara yang suci ini.

Kelayakannya hanyalah seorang “penjenayah peperangan”. Beliau berperanan berbohong kepada semua rakyat Britain, dan bersubahat dengan George Bush untuk berbohong kepada seluruh dunia, bahawa Iraq memiliki senjata membinasa besar (WMD) dan melibatkan Britain dalam pencerobohan Iraq di tahun 2002 yang diketuai oleh Amerika Syarikat.

Tetapi kita sekarang tahu bahawa Iraq langsung tidak memiliki senjata umpama ini. Sampai hari ini tidak secebis kecil pun dapat dicari ataupun akan dapat dicari kelak.

Britain dan Amerika telah melancarkan suatu peperangan haram terhadap Iraq berdasarkan suatu pembohongan – menyebabkan beribu-ribu rakyat Iraq, lelaki, wanita serta kanak-kanak, lelaki dan perempuan, muda dan tua, sihat dan kurang upaya, dibunuh beramai-ramai. Penyembelihan ini masih berterusan sekarang. Dan apa yang menyedihkan adalah hukuman gantung sampai mati Saddam Hussein hasil daripada keputusan mahkamah yang dijalankan secara tidak adil dan menyalahkannya tanpa sebab yang munasabah.

Terdapat banyak darah, khasnya darah muslim, pada tangan Tony Blair yang tidak mungkin dapat dibersihkan. Adalah mengejutkan, keji dan ironisnya Malaysia tercinta ini yang diketuai oleh orang muslim, telah menjemput dan membenarkan seorang yang berperanan dalam pembunuhan muslim beramai-ramai bertapak kaki di atas tanah air kita, bahkan dibenarkan berulas dalam ceramah perundangan.

Soalan minggi ini adalah:

Patutkah penadbiran Barisan Nasional membuat kesilapan besar mengundang penjenayah perperangan Tony Blair yang patut diketuk dan di bawa kepada mahkamah atas jenayah perperangan, supaya mengunjungi dan menodai negara kita?

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48 thoughts on “Your MP's Question of the Week #20

  1. lee wee tak

    no body hates war more than the soldier.

    — Gen MacArthur

    Throughout history, war is started by a few people at the helm and those who do not know what the fight is about ended up killed, maimed and tortured.

    In Iraq’s case, the people of Iraq have to bear a chunk of the blame. Yes it was an illegal war but once Saddam is removed, all the muslims there should unite and rebuilt.

    money from US and the world would be pouring in, coupled with their own oil supply, Iraq could be another Dubai

    alas, sunni and shite prefers to slaughther each other. the US started and ended the war against the formal army pretty quickly but the Iraqis failed to take the one chance to get a good life, perhaps the only good opportunity for them that emerged then subsequently squandered.

    if Iraq remained committed to peace and development since 2002, the oil crises of today may not be so severe

    facinating recent history but does our schools allow our children to learn from all this?

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  2. I like chopin

    YB Wee Choo Keong said

    “…………Therefore it is most shocking, despicable and ironical that our beloved Malaysia, being a Muslim led country, should have invited and allowed a mass Muslim-killer to even walk on our soil,…………..”

    YB Wee,you are confusing me .Is Malaysia really a Muslim led country?

    I thought you are part of Pakatan Rakyat which promote a multi racial,multi religious and multi cultural goverment.So how can you labelled this country as Muslim led?

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  3. lee wee tak

    I am not defending YB here but let’s see

    Yang Dipertuan Agong, with utmost respect and the Sultans of the States
    Prime Minster – Badawi
    Opposition leader – Wan Azizah but now void?
    Chief of Police, Chief of Army
    Bank Negara Governor – Zeti
    Securities Commission, Bursa Malaysia, Petronas,
    Head of DBKL, Majlis Perbandaran, captain of the Malaysian football team etc

    Pretty factual that they are muslims

    The teaching of Islams require muslims to be fair and compassionate to all human beings. If this is applied then fine.

    Which point to another thing about UMNO’s rallying cry that Malays are losing political power and must unite….so where is the threat? is there is one in the first place?

    I am definitely not one that goes around arguing base on race. I argue base on issues.

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  4. temenggong

    Malaysians don’t seem to understand international law and war crimes but simply buy the political rhetoric of Mahathir and umno.

    Illegal invasion? There is no such thing as an ‘illegal war’. You don’t apply for an AP from the Security Council. One should ask the Kurds and Shias if the war in Iraq was justified. One should ask the IOC too, most of whom supported it and provided bases.

    The seeds of Iraq II were sown in 1991 itself, shortly after Iraq I, when the Iraqi regime refused to cooperate with the nuclear inspectors.

    Have Malaysians conveniently forgotton the cheering Iraqis welcoming the Americans and British when Iraq was invaded and Saddam’s hateful regime toppled?

    The present carnage in Iraq is due to sunni-shia genocides. What has this got to do with Americans and the British? It has all to do with their hadiths and religious hatred for each other.

    Not only should Tony Blair be invited to Malaysia but should be praised for his contributions and the British will to remove despotism in Iraq and cutting down the warlords who are the ones killing the people.

    A firm lesson for all nations particularly those who practice a sort of racial or religious ketuanan, that they will be brought to justice! For that was exactly what was in Afghanistan and Iraq. This, the world will not tolerate. Because there are nations like US and Britain, every despotic nation is behaving itself.

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  5. I like chopin

    Temenggong

    I am fully with you.I don’t see anything wrong with Tony Blair and George Bush’s invasion of Iraq.

    At least they are helping the ordinary Iraqis got rid of that despicable tyrant Saddam Hussein and his equally hateful sons and generals.Together these terrors created hell for the ordinary people.So many of Saddam political opponents got tortured and then executed or just dissappeared in thin air.I think the Iraqi people are grateful for outside help to topple Saddam,something they are incapable of themselves.

    Yes,on the hindsight YB Wee is right after all.In Malaysia,it is the Muslim leaders calling for the shot.The rest are just lap dogs running up to their political masters.

    Equality is still a dream………………

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  6. lee wee tak

    Chopper

    I hope I see the day Malaysians decide who are the best to lead the country by his or her capability, heart and sense of fair play; and not by skin colour, religion, sexual orientation and whatever irrelevant window dressing.

    Yes Bush and Blair are guilty but what about Saddam. He is the bigger evil. Ask the Iranians, Kurds and many ordinary Iraqis.

    While we talk about Asean’s lack of action over the atrocity and injustice committed in Myanmar & to a lesser extend Thailand, (as I wrote elsewhere as Ostrich Foreign Policy), the “international busy bodiness” by the Yanks and the Brit in Aghanistan and Iraq albeit have some good intention but spoilt by flawed implementatin, has a greater volume in influence than Asean is capable of.

    No a hoot or cry when our neighbours murder and maim their own citizens, including men & women of religion, teachers, elected leaders, ordinary citizens etc

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  7. Atuk Wan

    Nampaknya sekarang blog ini telah mula menyentuh unsur-unsur sensitif iaitu perihal bangsa dan agama.

    Kita kena balik pada sejarah negara ini. Tanah tumpah darah Atuk Wan ini pun dahulunya dinamakan TANAH MELAYU dan sejak Parameswara memluk agama Islam, orang-orang Melayu semuanya beragama ISLAM.

    Walau banyak mana pendatang yang datang – dar Tanah Besar China, India, Nepal, Indonesia, Bangladesh dan lain-lain, negara tercinta ini tetap akan jadi milik orang MELAYU sampai bila-bila. Jadi, jangan sesiapa (termasuk YB) ingin mempropagandakan isu-isu semasa yang lain berkenaan dengan politik dan mengaitkannya dengan hal-hal bangsa dan agama.

    Semua sudah maklum bahawa kita di Malaysia mengamalkan sikap toleransi kepada semua kaum dan agama – jadi jangan gunakan kepentingan politik untuk memporak-perandakan keamanan yang kita nikmati sejak dulu lagi.

    Atuk Wan percaya kepada kebebasan bersuara dan demokrasi tetapi Atuk Wan juga percaya bahawa kita semua adalah dewasa dan cukup akal untuk mengasingkan perkara-perkara sensitif agar kesejahteraan bersama dapat dikekalkan di negara yang Atk Wan sangat cintai ini.

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  8. HellBoy

    YB,

    Are you implying that if PKR were to rule Malaysia, they would not want to invite the President of the US to the country? As I see it, the main world’s terrorist is the US PRESIDENT!!!!

    Now, who’s the hypocrite?

    Atuk Wan,

    I salute you!!!!!!!!!!! We should refrain from using sensitive issues to serve political purposes.

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  9. Sweet Child

    Atuk Wan,

    I agree (1,000x) with you (saya bersetuju 1,000 x dengan anda).

    YB,
    Abe Lincoln once said the following :
    “You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time.”

    This time, I would have to disagree with you and I sincerely hope that you do not use the religion and race issues to raise your point.

    Lastly, I would like to end my comment with a quote from Groucho Marx :
    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”

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  10. lee wee tak

    Atuk Wan,

    dengan hormatnya saya ingin tanya apakah yang dimaksudkan sebagai sensitif?

    Selepas 50 tahun merdeka, kita harus kaji perkembangan pergaulan antara kaum. Yang saya pasti adalah semua rakyat Malaysia tidak mahu pergaduhan berdasarkan perkauman yang telah merosakkan Yugoslavia, negar-negara di Afrika

    Rakyat Malaysia matang dan boleh berbincang dan bertukar fikiran. Jika kita takut ini takut itu, perkembangan minda akan tersekat.

    Dulu orang yang berani sanggup membuat pembedahan tanpa ubat bius. Hasilnya perkembangan perubatan sehingga hari ini.

    Malaysia sudah 50 tahun usianya. Dulu semua kaum boleh bergaul mesra tetapi mengapakah kebelakangan ini saling takut dan tidak percaya pulak? Tidak haruskah kita bincang terbuka dan menghilangkan perasaan syak wa-sangka?

    Betul, tanah ini bergelar Tanah Melayu tetapi kini, hakikatnya adalah rakyat Malaysia terdiri daripada berbilang kaum. Lebih bermanfaat jika kita semua cari persamaan daripada perbezaan antara rakyat Malaysia.

    Bersatu kita teguh, bercerai kita roboh.

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  11. lee wee tak

    Actually from my own perspective, I don’t care Malay, Chinese or Indians

    I want all Malaysians
    1) to be happy and healthy

    2) that they have a job that keep their family fed, happy, educated and healthy

    3) when we call the police, they can and serve us properly and prompty

    4) there are no criminals, we are safe and can walk out at night wearing and carrying whatever to our fancy

    5) when we go to hospitals we can the right treatment fastest possible time and at affordable costs

    6) we have enough public transport, recreational facilities and entertainment outlet for all and sundry

    7) we respect and understand each other & isit each other during the festival seasons

    8) our education is first class and available to all and sundry at affordable prices

    9) our currency is strong and makes travelling affordable

    10) our government service is efficient, prompt and effective

    I don’t care about this race and that race

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  12. ACE

    Atuk Wan,

    When u said dun touch sensitive issue like “TanaH MELAYU”… u r actually touching the sensitive issue there…

    Please stand in other races’ shoes when u said like that…Aren’t we Malaysian. We were born in Malaysia, eat same read same suffer same…. I dun understand till now 20century, we are still dividing among ourself.

    And i think that’s should be the main reason Malaysia is falling behind. Because we are not equal.

    TQ.

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  13. I like chopin

    Atuk Wan

    I think you are getting senile.You ask us not to be racist but you yourself sounded so racist.

    You said:
    negara tercinta ini tetap akan jadi milik orang Melayu sampai bila bila masa.

    Even Mahathir himself admitted that the majority tax payers in this country are the non Malays.If this country does not belong to us too,why did the goverment ask us the non Malays to pay taxes?And gave us the Mycards too?

    Now,you are putting your foot in your mouth but I can easily forgive you because you are a senile grandfather.

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  14. lee wee tak

    Gents,

    let’s keep the discussion here civil. Hammer people for their arguments but no personal attacks.

    my simple counter is that a check in the land office will reveal that apart from Malay land owners, there are other Malaysian and foreign land owners who have purchased the land and registered their ownership in accordance with the land of this country.

    I hope all these racial base rallying call can be seen ed through as nothing more than a tool or political survival. there are more pressing issues concerning well-being and safety of every person in Malaysia, local or foreign.

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  15. lee wee tak

    I meant “laws of this country” and “can be seen through as nothing more than a tool for political survival”

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  16. Melayu Jati

    My answer to this great criminal of a Tony Blair coming to our country is a simple NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  17. temenggong

    As a member of the commonwealth, we hold queen Elizabeth II as the Paramount Leader of the grouping. And we shall respect all her emissaries.

    What is this Tanah Melayu that so many people fondly recall? There is no such thing, and there never was any state called by that name. In my reading of the peninsula’s history I do not recall a time in the last 2050 years (yes, 50 BCE) when there were no Indians and Chinese among others! That is also the view of another historian, the former MB of Kedah.

    We take it as it is. This country is called Malaysia! Ownership lies with its citizens. Period!

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  18. Malaysia 64

    Bagi saya tiada masalah bagi Tony Blair datang memberi ucapan di malaysia ini atas jemputan kerajaan malaysia. Kerana beliau adalah bekas PM England. Kita tak boleh salah beliau pasal perang di Iraq telah berlaku. Kalau kita nak katakan beliau perjenayah perang apa kurangnya permimpin yang berkuasa di Malaysia sekarang ini? Lagi satu Malaysia ini adalah hak semua rakyaat yang ada MYKAD yang SAH sahaja.

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  19. anonymous

    Surely, all peace loving Malaysians cannot support Tony Blair for joining forces with President Bush to invade Iraq on the ground that Iraq has weapon of mass destruction (WMD). As a result of their ill thought out policy, many innocent Iraqis of all ages were killed senselessly – under the name of WMD!

    Until this very day, the US Armies are still not able to find a single bit of WMD!

    How asbout Israel having WMD?
    How about Britain and USA have WMD?
    Why are they permitted to have WMD and not others?
    Why that double standard?

    Tony Blair, the war criminal, should be kicked out of Malaysia. Stop allowing such War Criminal, who has soiled his hand with the blood of our Muslim and Muslimat. As as non-Muslim I cannot accept such war criminal stepping foot in our country, where Islam is our official religion. If the Muslims can accept it, well and good. It is your right and I rest my case.

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  20. ColorsMalaysian

    Atuk Wan, Sweet Child , HellBoy and others

    Haaaaaaaaaaaa…………….
    Hope you all not feeling offended, or I’m not here preaching anyone.

    To be less sensitive or equal to all Malaysian :
    ” This is no longer ” Tanah Melayu ” as you mentioned. Just a phrase of the past.We should all call this a “Tanah Malaysia” since independent. ”

    The birth right of each Malaysian is simply equal without questioning. whether you or anyone like it or not, this is just a country under secularism way .

    =================================================
    Secularism : –
    exclusion of religion from public affairs: the belief that religion and religious bodies should have no part in political or civic affairs or in running public institutions, especially schools
    =================================================

    Religion is the purest and topmost matter.
    Political is a dirty and filthy activity.
    So, to mix religion to any political activity is a great sin indeed.

    We all believe in God , maybe by different way.

    As we all have learnt from the past, we can not live by ourself. All must gather and contribute to make a country works.So don’t be too selfish.

    We are not allowed to take any thing from the contry, if we do not fully contribute to the nation first.

    Again !
    We are all ” Anak-anak bangsa Malaysia ” without further questioning or doubting.

    RAKYAT the Power of Nation

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  21. resident.wangsamaju

    Religion and politics are in the same league. Politics done wrong will result in lack of freedom for religions other than Islam in this country. The freedom to practice religion freely and fully is defended at the forefront of politics- that’s why I support who I support fully.

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  22. lee wee tak

    generally Malaysians condemn the US and the Uk for the sorry state in Iraq. Nobody seems to appreciate the atrocity committed by Saddam to Iraqis and Iranians.

    The current rag tag Mahdi army who emerges “heroically” after the disposal of Saddam to wreck havoc smacks of hypocracy…fighting bravely against the US army (which has an agenda base on winning hearts and mind and to a certain degree hamstrung by certain rules of engagement) but hiding against Saddam’s forces (who were ruthless but a law unto itself)

    Can’t they channel those raw energy to production and creation instead of devastation and blood shed

    They lace their cause of struggle with religion but their religion deserve a more positive form of advertisement

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  23. I like chopin

    YB Wee

    Just a comparison here.Let’s say our parents invited a guest home for dinner but we, the children disliked this guest.Can we pull a sour face and throw a tantrum at our parent’s guest and make them embarassed?Surely,our Asian upbringing would not allow us to be hostile and rude to our guest.The same applied to Tony Blair’s visit and your outburst.

    Atuk Wan is an old fellow still trapped in his archaic mentality of Tanah Melayu but it would do alot of good for younger generation like Sweetchild and Hellboy to wake up and face the present and the future.Face the truth,race does not count anymore.The world is global now.This is no longer Tanah Melayu but Malaysia which belonged to all her people of various races and religions!!

    Saya anak bangsa Malaysia.

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  24. I like chopin

    Another thing YB Wee and hope you don’t mind me saying your omission (deliberate or otherwise) of Saddam Hussein ‘s atrocities towards his own people is very glaring here.A case of close one eye.

    Hope you can see the real Saddam Hussein.Me thinks he is the real war criminal,not Tony Blair.Anyway,history will judge who is the villian and who is the hero.

    P/s I am no fan of either Blair or Bush.Just felt they are blamed unfairly in this blog.

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  25. temenggong

    When Pakatan comes to power, let the historians go on TV and explain to Malays the true history of the peninsula, the origins of their ethnicity, as to how upon the insistence of FD Roosevelt led to the dismantling of the european colonies in asia and africa after the cessation of the war, and thus Merdeka for Malaysia, and again as to how Robert Kennedy stopped Indonesia’s invasion of Malaya!

    Twice, it was the US that brought us independence and ensured our sovereignity. Once the issue of independence was known to be imminent, there was a scramble for political power, which today is called the spirit of 1946. The hardest thing our leaders did was to take flights to London for independence negotiations!

    The jostling and greed started in 1946. Independence was handed in a platter to the greedy!

    The people should also educated on TV about what exactly is ‘ethnic cleansing’ and how Malaysia fully qualifies for it as a rogue state. The people should be told because nobody takes the trouble to study about UN definitions of ethnic cleansing, pogroms and genocides.

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  26. lee wee tak

    Temenggong has highlighted a flaw in the way we teach history in our schools. our history lessons in schools only tell our students to remember selected facts but not real in depth facts

    Malaysia is what it is today and the US has a big part in it. Apart from dismantling the European colonial outlook and halting the Indonesian ambition, American blood split in the Pacific and Vietnam has prevented our Ibu Pertiwi from falling into Japanese or Vietnamese (communist) hands

    The expensive counter-insurgency against the MCP also hasten the British desire to relinquish a resource rich colony.

    Malaysia also have a lot of military co-operation with the US and British during the cold war era and also currently with the existing tension in the region.

    understanding these part of our history will enable our children to be more critical and thoughtful of world events. it would make them more appreciative with what we have in Malaysia and it could produce better people to enlist in our foreign affairs department

    knowing about Kesultanan Melaka and the fight against the British is good and we should extend our understanding and promote thinking about the world around us

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  27. Anonymous

    To add to the above:

    After the war, to the British it was just a matter of deciding to whom power shall be passed to. It was not to be the AMCJA or KMM, but they chose the weak and greedy.

    The Weak, lacking moral fibre, wanted the symbolism and legitimacy conferred by the Rulers and so pushed forth their inclusion in the new constitution. The AMCJA and KMM was demonised. The Weak used the British who stayed on to fight the new communists from 1948 to 1960, and the US told the Philippines and Indonesia to back off. Power was secure by 1960 as the British regiments began their withdrawal.

    With the British gone, finding an absence of restraints and new confidence, the Weak became more greedy and absorbed the gullible east malaysian natives. Unable to manage Singapore and finding it a parallel power and a credible alternative, the Weak ejected it and got it out of the way, and became even more dominant and greedy, with a show of force in 1964 in Singapore, then in 1969.

    The Weak and Greedy is known today as Umno. They have no strength as the malays simply sway to wherever the power lies.

    Now it is with Anwar and Pakatan who are riding a true moral wave! They have inherent strength. We shall see history redemonstrated and vindicated. I expect the opposer to lose his deposit, and with it to hasten the sway!

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  28. I like chopin

    It was reported in today’s NST and StarOnline that Dr M also labelled Tony Blair as a war criminal.He is the last person qualified to call another as a criminal.Is he any better?No,everybody knows he is a devil too.

    Through his racist policies when he is the Education Minister,our education system was sodomised upside down.It produces a few generations of Malaysians who cannot even speak or write a proper word of English.And a few generations of Malaysians who do not even know the true and real events of history,both local and international.Isn’t this a crime too and isn’t he a criminal too?

    And everyone knew how he used the ISA to kill off his political opponents.Of course we all knew too that the ISA is inherited from the British to fight the communists but after independence,UMNO is all out to erase anything to do with the British except ISA.No more English medium schools and no more English names for streets/roads etc.Even the universal symbol of the Red Cross was changed to Red Crescent!If UMNO hated the British so much,why still keep the evil ISA?Because they knew it is an effective tool to keep everyone in line.

    He is talking rubbish.Hopefully it spurted out on a moment of lapse of memory.

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  29. lee wee tak

    temenggong, well said.

    I hope our history books would include write up of the Mahathir era – Proton car, UMNO power struggle of the 1980’s. the co-op debacle, MAIKA Holdings, Kpg Medan, Memali, Ops Lallang 1987, Judicial incident of 1988 and the Lingam consequence, Reformasi, GE 12…all these are watershed events in our country’s history which should be studied, understood & debated by our children.

    we must confront ourselves, the same way the Germans did for their Nazism. then we can really absorb the lessons from the action of our forefathers.

    it is normal to make mistakes, stupid to repeat it but criminally idiotic to repeat it again

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  30. Sweet Child

    Whoa everyone, hold your horses…

    Talking about Bangsa Malaysia
    – did the teachers teach us to look down on old people like Atuk Wan? DEFINITE NO.
    – did the teachers teach us not to respect the views of old people? DEFINITE NO
    – did the teachers teach us to call names to old people? DEFINITE NO.

    How can all of you tell yourself that you are the new breed of “BANGSA MALAYSIA” and at the same time behave like spoilt brats? So you do not agree with Atuk Wan, but why must call him a senile old man? No wonder there’s an increasing rate of people sending their own parents to old folks home now – the children are being too self absorbed and too self centred to care about others!

    We live in a different age, different environment etc than him but without people like him, there won’t be people like us.

    I agree with Atuk Wan just for a simple reason – why must a political move be construed to have a religious and race motive. As Lee in his comment in item 2 above, is he being prejudiced or what is he trying to prove by listing out the people that hold the posts? Yet, you people out there call me racist – now, who is being racist here?

    Let’s talk about facts here – I agree that we are BANGSA MALAYSIA but being a multi racial country, we need to acknowledge the fact that we must understand and respect each other’s differences. Forget about the QUEEN, all the US Presidents etc, we are Malaysians and it is about time, we know our own history.

    I don’t blame all of you out there – I blame the politicians all the while. Because of their carelessness/insensitivity/ruthlessness, we are being dragged into this arguments (and suddenly everyone is a historian!!)

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  31. I like chopin

    Sweet child

    Yes,nothing wrong at all being old because one day all of us will grow old too.It is a cycle of life.But respect had to be earn, not demand.Grow old with wisdom and compassion.
    Wisdom to see the truth and compassion for everyone.

    I am sure Atuk Wan would not mind sharing this beautiful country with the rest of us who are born and grew up here.
    We have been here for a few generations,are law abiding and contributed to this country too.

    Don’t make the sweeping assumption that just because we don’t agreed to Atuk Wan’s sentiment or doubt his memories, we are against all old people.This is far from true.There are alot of old people out there whose life experiences are our greatest inspirations and they are ordinary old people whom we can hold in highest esteem.

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  32. lee wee tak

    Sweet Child

    I am not trying to proof anything except to point out the mere fact. The top posts in Malaysia is held by Malays. That’s a fact.

    I am not being racist. I am being factual. Like it or it, it is the truth. The real racism is in the people running the appointment process. Not me. I am just pointing out the truth and calling me a racist is just not on.

    In the episode where UMNO is trying to woo PAS with all the Malay unity talk, paksi Melayu blah blah blah, now that’s racism. When scholarship for non-bumis are to be increased, a lot of objection in Parliament, now that’s racism. (not matter if the total funding for bumi remains the same or even higher, but more more for non-bumi was argued as detrimental to bumi)

    Malaysia is frankly a racist country. We got MIC, UMNO and MCA forming the governing administration for 50 years. If this does not lead to racist policies it is not possible. By just pointing out what they have done I am construed as being racist. Hey, I am just a reporter, messenger and observer.

    Well, I am a Chinese and I have helped individual Malays and Indians before and I never bloody bother to claim credit. No damn chest thumping as I help them because they are fellow human beings and I am not running for any office.

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  33. lee wee tak

    another thing. is being racist all bad?

    let’s look at positive racism

    “I love Chinese food”

    “Malaysia is wonderful, so many different races working together”

    “Indians seems to have some economic standing issues, as fellow Malaysians, we help them as we help ourselves”

    Racist is merely an adjective. It is the application that determine it is good or bad.

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  34. resident.wangsamaju

    Well said!

    Racism is when a certain race gets preferential treatment at the expense of another race; which include denied benefits/ rights, injustice, marginalization. This is normally achieved by social division, systematic or otherwise, which aims to infuse hatred and anger in one or more races against another.

    It’s ok to describe food by ethnicity because food is all about culture, hence we are mostly likely referring to culture rather than race when we say, for instance, ‘Indian food’ or ‘Malay food’. What’s bad or questionable is:

    – the race supremacy (‘Ketuanan Melayu’) concept previously championed by UMNO. Now quiet down because UMNO knew Hishamuddin single handedly brought down BN because of his racist-keris act which is rejected by ALL races
    -the 6.3 million Malaysian Chinese abroad vs the 5.5 million at home- what the? All ran away??!!

    A race- based system does not work as proven through time. The systematic marginalisation of races in Malaysia had prevented everyone from participating fully in nation building. After WWII, we had head start, but after 51 years, we find ourselves behind Singapore, China, Taiwan and Japan.

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  35. MAT SIRAT

    RESIDENT.WANGSAMAJU,

    SAYA BERPENDAPAT ANDA MUNGKIN MEMBUAT KESIMPULAN YANG AMAT MUDAH DAN REMEH SEKALI TENTANG AKSI YB DATO’ SERI HISHAMUDDIN.

    SEBENARNYA, AKSI BELIAU TIDAK DITOLAK OLEH SEMUA KAUM SEPERTI YANG ANDA DAKWA. YANG SEBENARNYA LEBIH RAMAI PIHAK YANG MENGAMBIL SIKAP TIDAK AMBIL PEDULI TENTANG KES KERIS TERSEBUT.

    AKSI TERSEBUT ADALAH SIMBOLIK BAGI ORANG MELAYU UNTUK BANGKIT DENGAN LEBIH PERKASA LAGI DALAM MENANGANI PERMASALAHAN YANG DIHADAPI OLEH BANGSA MELAYU YANG LEBIH KETINGGALAN DALAM PELBAGAI BIDANG.

    MEMANG BENAR, IANYA ADALAH GAMBARAN BPROSES BINA INSAN YANG AMAT MAKRO. SENJATA YANG ADA (KERIS) ADALAH LAMBANG PERJUANGAN ORANG MELAYU SEJAK ZAMAN MELAKA LAGI. SAUDARA/SAUDARI TENTU MEMPELAJARINYA DALAM MATAPELAJARAN SEJARAH DAN MENJADI SAKSI BAGAIMANA ORANG MELAYU MEMPUNYAI PERTALIAN YANG AMAT RAPAT DENGAN KERIS. LIHAT SAHAJA FILEM ‘HANG TUAH’ ARAHAN ALLAHYARHAM P. RAMLEE DAN BERBAGAI FILEM YANG SEANGKATAN DENGANNYA.

    BENAR, TANAH MELAYU ADALAH NAMA YANG TERDAHULU. DAHULU, ANDA PERNAH DENGAR SEMENANJUNG TANAH MELAYU? KINI, SEMENANJUNG MALAYSIA.

    MASA TELAH BERUBAH…

    NAMUN WARISAN, TIDAK AKAN MUDAH DILUPAI. ‘KERIS’ YANG DIMAKSUDKAN TERSEBUT ADALAH SENJATA ORANG MELAYU SEKARANG YANG PERLU MENINGKATKAN PELBAGAI ‘KEKUATAN DIRI’ DALAM PELBAGAI ASPEK ANTARANYA DISIPLIN, ILMU DAN SEBAGAINYA UNTUK TERUS BERSAING BUKAN SAHAJA SECARA GLOKAL MALAH GLOBAL.

    SAYA BERASA YAKIN PARA PENGIKUT SERTA PEMERHATI BLOG INI TIDAK MENGALAMI RENJATAN (SHORT CIRCUIT) UNTUK TERUS MENGANDAIKAN (JUMP INTO CONCLUSION) BAHAWA AKSI YB DATO’ SERI HISHAMUDDIN ITU DIPOLITIKKAN UNTUK KEPENTINGAN POLITIK ORANG MAHUPUN GOLONGAN YANG TERTENTU.

    BENAR, ADA DI ANTARA KITA YANG MENGAKU BERSENTIMENKAN FAKTA BUKANNYA PERKAUMAN, TAPI FAKTA PERKAUMAN TERSEBUTLAH YANG TELAH DIPOLITIKKAN.

    SAYA PASTI GENERASI KITA YANG BERSAMA-SAMA MEMPERJUANGKAN KEMERDEKAAN TANAHAIR DAHULU PASTI MENGALIRKAN AIR MATA PENYESALAN MENGENANGKAN GELAGAT SEGELINTIR ANAK-ANAK MERDEKA YANG TIDAK MAMPU MENGENANG BUDI SERTA JASA MEREKA…

    LIHATLAH DI SEKELILING ANDA, BETUL TAK?

    MAT SIRAT
    ANTARA SIRATAN DAN SURATAN
    MEDIA / PLATFORM KOMUNIKASI ALTERNATIF ANDA
    http://www.siratansuratan.blogspot.com/

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  36. lee wee tak

    Mat,

    I enjoy reading your posting because it makes me think.

    “SAYA BERPENDAPAT ANDA MUNGKIN MEMBUAT KESIMPULAN YANG AMAT MUDAH DAN REMEH SEKALI TENTANG AKSI YB DATO’ SERI HISHAMUDDIN.
    SEBENARNYA, AKSI BELIAU TIDAK DITOLAK OLEH SEMUA KAUM SEPERTI YANG ANDA DAKWA. YANG SEBENARNYA LEBIH RAMAI PIHAK YANG MENGAMBIL SIKAP TIDAK AMBIL PEDULI TENTANG KES KERIS TERSEBUT.”

    – I think Resident has a point albeit he might over play with the words. In the post mortem, the keris thing was

    acknowledged as 1 of the factor and the Education Minister issued a belated and wishy-washy apology

    http://tempinis.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/hishammuddin-and-the-half-baked-apology/

    “AKSI TERSEBUT ADALAH SIMBOLIK BAGI ORANG MELAYU UNTUK BANGKIT DENGAN LEBIH PERKASA LAGI DALAM MENANGANI PERMASALAHAN YANG DIHADAPI OLEH BANGSA MELAYU YANG LEBIH KETINGGALAN DALAM PELBAGAI BIDANG. “

    – can’t the UMNO politicians come up with something that is more meaningful than a keris to represent strength of Malay? A copy of the Islam Hadhari and emphasis on Malay tradition of courtesy, humility and Islamic urging of constant self-struggle would be a more meaningful rallying cry. Keris can be misconstrued as a sign of aggression.

    – Gerakan projected a much better image waiving the Constitution about. Less aggressive, more substance but of no consequence for the GE (not entirely their own doing)

    “MASA TELAH BERUBAH…

    NAMUN WARISAN, TIDAK AKAN MUDAH DILUPAI. ‘KERIS’ YANG DIMAKSUDKAN TERSEBUT ADALAH SENJATA ORANG MELAYU SEKARANG YANG PERLU MENINGKATKAN PELBAGAI ‘KEKUATAN DIRI’ DALAM PELBAGAI ASPEK ANTARANYA DISIPLIN, ILMU DAN SEBAGAINYA UNTUK TERUS BERSAING BUKAN SAHAJA SECARA GLOKAL MALAH GLOBAL.”

    – Mat, do you think Malays can keep their own identity and culture while actively engaging non-Malays and non-muslims?

    – If Malays and Malaysians need to compete globally then we have to unite as one country. Diversity is our strength. I can communicate with Chinese, Taiwanese and Hong Kongers while the Arabs and African Moslems are attracted here by the rich Islamic heritage and practice. At the moment, like it or not, communal politics is the flavour of the day.

    – This is the heritage of our forefathers and as you say, time change. If America can accept a half Negro running for the president, the once Nazi dominated Germany now has 2 African born strikers in the European under-19 football championship winning team, Indonesia dropping the pribumi call cards, why can’t Malaysia turn for the better in this internet age.

    – Islam, as I can understand as a non-muslim who studied sejarah islam, never discriminated against non-muslim. I admired the 4 Khalifiahs – Abu Bakar, Umar Khattib, Usman Affan etc. Islam might differentiate people between religion (without treating non-muslims badly at all) but never in its teaching Islam wants to differentiate people by race. Please correct me if I am wrong

    – Malay, as the dominant component of our country, can lead the way towards true national unity more effectively. Would love to hear your opinion on this.

    SAYA BERASA YAKIN PARA PENGIKUT SERTA PEMERHATI BLOG INI TIDAK MENGALAMI RENJATAN (SHORT CIRCUIT) UNTUK TERUS MENGANDAIKAN (JUMP INTO CONCLUSION) BAHAWA AKSI YB DATO’ SERI HISHAMUDDIN ITU DIPOLITIKKAN UNTUK KEPENTINGAN POLITIK ORANG MAHUPUN GOLONGAN YANG TERTENTU.

    – The Education Minister did the merry thing in UMNO AGM, a political platform. It is a political ceremony, a political gesture and a political statement so it is being politicalized by the himself and the people affected by it.

    _ short circuit and jumping into conclusion may not always come hand in hand. The former is a failure of the entire rational of the brain while the later suggest hasty and tactless intellect.

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  37. HellBoy

    Lee,
    What about your interpretation of Mat Sirats’s :
    BENAR, ADA DI ANTARA KITA YANG MENGAKU BERSENTIMENKAN FAKTA BUKANNYA PERKAUMAN, TAPI FAKTA PERKAUMAN TERSEBUTLAH YANG TELAH DIPOLITIKKAN

    I believe this is what Mat and Sweet Child are trying to convey here.

    Sweet Child,
    Your quote is fastanstic – (which I’ve reproduced here) :
    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”

    The rest of the people out there,
    Please get on with other things as the main issue is about Tony Blair and has nothing to do with race or religion in the first place – I believe YB being a politician has played us all out (by including the remarks on race and religion in his main comments on this issue).

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  38. lee wee tak

    “BENAR, ADA DI ANTARA KITA YANG MENGAKU BERSENTIMENKAN FAKTA BUKANNYA PERKAUMAN, TAPI FAKTA PERKAUMAN TERSEBUTLAH YANG TELAH DIPOLITIKKAN”

    initially I did not express an opinion because I have no idea what Mat is trying to say

    If you ask, I think he is saying talking with facts is not racism but the facts which is racist innature has been politicalised.

    If this is what he is trying to say, it is pointing out the obvious

    If the situation arises as a result of politicians applying racial consideration in implementing anything, no matter how factual or objective a commentator is, the reality and fact remains – creation of racial politics.

    the simplest way forward is to throw out racial consideration and go for universal approach of compassion, fairness and need-base approach. Then the issue at hand can be approached in a more result orientated approach.

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  39. Sweet Child

    People,
    Let’s not argue here – everyone has correctly pointed their views and we must learn to accept the differing views.

    The different races have their cultures and religions etc, and to live in harmony, we must learn to accept and respect this.

    Lee,
    What Mat is trying to say (Mat, correct me if I’m wrong) is that racial issue has been politicised. Facts should remain as facts and these facts even if they are racist in nature, should not be politicised by any responsible citizen.

    For one, we do not have the capability to change facts (things that have happened) and history. What we must do is just try to avoid similar insensitivities/hurtful events to recur so that the citizens can live peaceful and in harmony, together.

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  40. lee wee tak

    me not arguing. all I am saying is that politicians craft things on racial basis so of course it is racial + politics, an effective combination to arrest growth and development.

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  41. MAT SIRAT

    LWT,

    SAYA HARGAI PENDAPAT ANDA…

    TIDAK LEBIH DARI ITU, HANYA SATU PENDAPAT YANG TIDAK MUNGKIN MENGUNDANG PERSETUJUAN SAYA. BAGI SAYA, IA HANYALAH AKSI SIMBOLIK ATAU ‘GIMIK’ KEPADA SESIAPA YANG MEMAHAMINYA. BAGI YANG TIDAK MEMAHAMINYA, SEKALI LAGI IA ADALAH SIMBOLIK (GIMIK) YANG TIDAK PERLU DIKHUATIRI MELAINKAN SUDUT PENERIMAAN FIKIRAN TELAH DISALAHGUNAKAN TIDAK MAHU MENERIMA JAWAPAN DI ATAS ATAUPUN LEBIH TERTARIK KEPADA JAWAPAN-JAWAPAN TERTENTU YANG MAMPU MENGGUGAT KETENTERAMAN AWAM YANG TELAH JAYANYA TERJALIN SEJAK BEBERAPA ABAD YANGF LEPAS.

    “- can’t the UMNO politicians come up with something that is more meaningful than a keris to represent strength of Malay? A copy of the Islam Hadhari and emphasis on Malay tradition of courtesy, humility and Islamic urging of constant self-struggle would be a more meaningful rallying cry. Keris can be misconstrued as a sign of aggression.”

    – Mat, do you think Malays can keep their own identity and culture while actively engaging non-Malays and non-muslims?

    – If Malays and Malaysians need to compete globally then we have to unite as one country. Diversity is our strength. I can communicate with Chinese, Taiwanese and Hong Kongers while the Arabs and African Moslems are attracted here by the rich Islamic heritage and practice. At the moment, like it or not, communal politics is the flavour of the day.

    – This is the heritage of our forefathers and as you say, time change. If America can accept a half Negro running for the president, the once Nazi dominated Germany now has 2 African born strikers in the European under-19 football championship winning team, Indonesia dropping the pribumi call cards, why can’t Malaysia turn for the better in this internet age.

    – Islam, as I can understand as a non-muslim who studied sejarah islam, never discriminated against non-muslim. I admired the 4 Khalifiahs – Abu Bakar, Umar Khattib, Usman Affan etc. Islam might differentiate people between religion (without treating non-muslims badly at all) but never in its teaching Islam wants to differentiate people by race. Please correct me if I am wrong

    – Malay, as the dominant component of our country, can lead the way towards true national unity more effectively. Would love to hear your opinion on this.

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  42. MAT SIRAT

    SORRY ADA SAMBUNGAN,

    LWT,

    SAYA HARGAI PENDAPAT ANDA…

    TIDAK LEBIH DARI ITU, HANYA SATU PENDAPAT YANG TIDAK MUNGKIN MENGUNDANG PERSETUJUAN SAYA. BAGI SAYA, IA HANYALAH AKSI SIMBOLIK ATAU ‘GIMIK’ KEPADA SESIAPA YANG MEMAHAMINYA. BAGI YANG TIDAK MEMAHAMINYA, SEKALI LAGI IA ADALAH SIMBOLIK (GIMIK) YANG TIDAK PERLU DIKHUATIRI MELAINKAN SUDUT PENERIMAAN FIKIRAN TELAH DISALAHGUNAKAN TIDAK MAHU MENERIMA JAWAPAN DI ATAS ATAUPUN LEBIH TERTARIK KEPADA JAWAPAN-JAWAPAN TERTENTU YANG MAMPU MENGGUGAT KETENTERAMAN AWAM YANG TELAH JAYANYA TERJALIN SEJAK BEBERAPA ABAD YANGF LEPAS.

    “- can’t the UMNO politicians come up with something that is more meaningful than a keris to represent strength of Malay? A copy of the Islam Hadhari and emphasis on Malay tradition of courtesy, humility and Islamic urging of constant self-struggle would be a more meaningful rallying cry. Keris can be misconstrued as a sign of aggression.”

    KADANG-KADANG SAYA RASA AMAT KASIHAN DENGAN KESALAHMAKSUDAN SAUDARA YAN MELAMPAU TU…

    YANG SAYA MAKSUDKAN ITU ADALAH SEMANGAT ATAU KESEDARAN TERHADAP PRESTASI BANGSA SENDIRI YANG CUBA DIMOTIVASIKAN… YANG SAUDARA ‘INTERPRET’ YANG BERIKUT SAMPAI KE PERSOALAN-PERSOALAN SAUDARA YANG SAYA SENDIRI TIDAK FAHAMI ITU BUKANLAH SAYA YANG MULAKAN… RISIKO ITU (MUNGKIN DEK KERANA TERLALU BANYAK MEMBACA NOVEL ATAU MENONTON DRAMA SWASTA/CEREKARAMA – CERITA REKAAN SEMATA-MATA, ANDA TELAH TERSALAH FAHAM). NAMUN BEGITU, SAYA TIDAK MARAH ATAU CEPAT MELATAH KERANA SAUDARA TERSILAP… BUKANNYA SENGAJA!!!

    “- Mat, do you think Malays can keep their own identity and culture while actively engaging non-Malays and non-muslims?

    – If Malays and Malaysians need to compete globally then we have to unite as one country. Diversity is our strength. I can communicate with Chinese, Taiwanese and Hong Kongers while the Arabs and African Moslems are attracted here by the rich Islamic heritage and practice. At the moment, like it or not, communal politics is the flavour of the day.

    – This is the heritage of our forefathers and as you say, time change. If America can accept a half Negro running for the president, the once Nazi dominated Germany now has 2 African born strikers in the European under-19 football championship winning team, Indonesia dropping the pribumi call cards, why can’t Malaysia turn for the better in this internet age.

    – Islam, as I can understand as a non-muslim who studied sejarah islam, never discriminated against non-muslim. I admired the 4 Khalifiahs – Abu Bakar, Umar Khattib, Usman Affan etc. Islam might differentiate people between religion (without treating non-muslims badly at all) but never in its teaching Islam wants to differentiate people by race. Please correct me if I am wrong

    – Malay, as the dominant component of our country, can lead the way towards true national unity more effectively. Would love to hear your opinion on this.”

    AKHIR KATA, MATLAMAT TIDAK SEKALI-KALI AKAN MENGHALALKAN CARA… FIKIR-FIKIRKAN…

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  43. colorsmalaysian

    Hi !
    Wee , good morning.
    Refer to your content as above article, you have make a mistake here.
    “Great Man always make mistake , but dare to face and dare to change.”

    ========================================================
    “……………………….on Tony Blair’s hands which can never be cleansed. Therefore it is most shocking, despicable and ironical that our beloved Malaysia, being a Muslim led country, should have invited and allowed a mass Muslim-killer to even walk on our soil,…………………..”
    ======================================================

    Hope this won’t offend you , but to make you awake and clear instead.We choose someone (MP) not to carry on those term like ” muslim lead country ” , ” malay unity” , “speacial right to certain race” , ” certain important ministry posts can only take by a particular race only ” and so on.

    Hope this won’t let you and others feeling hurt.The message is to show all that MALAYSIA “always is” and “even forever” is a multi-racial, multi-religion and multi-culture led country. Those choosen MP should carry on this practice and culture.
    Don’t fail us ,can not fail ” Anak-anak bangsa MALAYSIA anymore and any longer.

    Again !
    MALAYSIA is for all Anak-anak bangsa Malaysia .
    A country rule and lead by multi-racial , multi-religion and multi-cultural Malaysians.
    We are all parts of a body, if part of the body get hurt , the whole body feel uneasy.

    RAKYAT the Power of Nation

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